Great internet marketing idea or a rip off?

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  • ie8keywords.com claims that they offer keywords that when typed into the top browser of an MSN 8 internet software, it leads the visitor directly to the website that purchases that keyword from them. Is this true? Need answer ASAP. Thanks.


  • Hello travis558, Thank you for your question It appears to do exactly that. However, it will work with either ANY browser, or at least any browser that is based on Internet Explorer and has installed their software utility. It may and may not work with Mozilla, for example, or other browsers that are not a "wrapper" for Internet Explorer. They have an online demo that actually reproduces a small part of your browser's toolbar and allows you to "test" their system. I use a very esoteric browser called MyIE2 and I have it skinned. It appeared in their demo window exactly as it appears on my screen. So they have some intelligent software on their end that was peeking into my machine. Even with a firewall installed. You can download their software and install it locally, however I chose not to for several reasons: 1. I *suspect* there might be spyware associated with this product. Without testing, I can not say for sure, but it would not surprise me. For one thing, their security certificate that pops up before agreeing to the install is unsigned. It is a red flag for me. 2. *Some* products like this, that are add-ins to a browser, are very hard to uninstall. Often, they do not properly clean the registry if you later decide to remove them. I am cautious with what I install on my machine. I do not like my computer "phoning home" to deliver demograhics on me or my computer use. Of course, I need to emphasize that I do not know this for sure, I only have suspicions based on experience with similar programs and utilities and being a long time user of AD-Aware, a free program to find and remove "spyware". That being said, it does seem to work as both you and they describe. Apparently, they sell a keyword to one vendor. When I typed in "software", I was brought to Amazon's software sales pages. "Pizza" takes you to Pizza Hut. Car to GM. Which made me wonder what happens if I were to type "automobile"? Surprisingly, it is available to buy as a keyword. So, if GM really wanted to be covered, they would need to purchase additional keywords such as "automobile", "auto" and perhaps even "vehicle". I'm sure you have visited their site, but just in case, here are a few things they mention: http://www.ie8keywords.com/index.htm "Upgrade your browser to include Keywords, Inc. fast search technology and now your address bar will give you the quickest and easiest way to search online. No matter what information you need or want you can now find it fast! If you need more traffic to your web site contact us today! We can help change the destiny of your online business!... Services If you need new clients, want to get ahead of you competition our solutions provide the fastest and easiest way to direct drive business to your website. How does it work? It this easy! Instead of typing in a long URL including http:// or www.yourname.com/filename.html to get to your site all your customers need to do is type in what their looking for. With KEYWORDS just type in one, two or more words of what your looking for into the browsers address bar and go right to your site. YES YOUR SITE! Not a long list of websites, including your competitors, JUST YOUR SITE! Q: How will this help my Business? Imagine all your current and new clients finding just your business online! Not other websites, just your business. They just use ordinary search words just as they already know. With our fast search technology, your customers don't need to remember a long web site address complicated Web address with www's, com's, .net etc. They simply type your registered KEYWORDS into the Web Browsers Address Bar and go straight to your website by-passing any list of web sites and your competition. We call it Natural Word Navigation. With KEYWORDS navigation of any intended information through the Internet is completed by means of direct, precise words." The also have a privacy policy, which is a good sign of integrity behind the company: "We at Keywords, Inc. consider your privacy concerns to be of paramount importance. This Privacy Policy informs you about our practices that impact your privacy. By registering an Keyword(s)and/or using Keyword to navigate across the Internet, you are accepting the practices described in this Privacy Policy. In this Policy, "we," "us," "our" and "ours" shall refer to Keywords, Inc.. This Privacy Policy contains three distinct sections, depending on how you interact with us. It is possible that you fall into one, two, or even all three of these categories: Registrant: You may be a customer of ours who registers an Keyword. End User: You may be an end-user of the Keywords, Inc. Navigation Service by your using Keywords, Inc. -- as they are integrated into browsers, search engines, and third-party software applications --to access particular web pages on the Internet. Please refer to the sections of this Privacy Policy that apply to you, whether as a Registrant, Visitor, and/or End User..." You might wish to read this in full: http://www.ie8keywords.com/privacy.htm However, they also say: "Information We Collect from End Users If you are an End User, none of your personally identifiable information is obtained or otherwise collected by Keywords, Inc.. However, as End Users navigate using Keywords, Inc. they must pass through our servers and in those servers we log anonymous information such as the Keywords used, IP address, type of browser, and time the Keywords is used. We collect this information in order to aggregate it into reports about our service..." In my opinion, IP address is NOT "anonymous information". It is also interesting that the privacy policy refers to another site - www.keywords.com Targeted Traffic Reach 75% of the Internet by advertising with Overture! Sign up through bCentral now and receive a credit to your Overture account. Reach Overture search results reach 75% of all Internet users through their affiliate partner network, which includes leading Web properties such as Microsoft Internet Explorer, America Online, Lycos, AltaVista and many others. Traffic Overture delivers over 700 million searches every month to its advertisers. Targeting Users actively type in your search terms and choose your listings, providing your site with self-qualified leads! Cost effectiveness For as little as $20 a month, you can drive customers to your site. With Overture, you pay for actual clicks, you don't pay for impressions A Google Search on "ie8keywords" produced no hits. Nor were any found on Google Groups. Nor did www.ie8keywords.com Searching www.keywords.com produced one hit to the bCentral page mentioned above. So, since there appears to be little mention of them on the Internet and no discussions I could find - either positive or negative- I would have to assume that they have a small user base and need a great deal more marketing to develop a base of customers using the product and bringing value to their advertisers. I trust my research has answered this question. If I have missed addressing anything you expected in this answer or if a link above should fail to work, please do post a Request for Clarification prior to rating the answer and closing the question and I will be pleased to assist further. Regards, -=clouseau=-


  • Thank you for that insight. I subscribed to MSN 8 service earlier today to test their service (ie8keywords.com service) but unfortunately their keywords like "pizza" or "loan" produced only normal MSN search results - I did not get sent to pizzahut.com or wellsfargo.com. If their software needs to be installed for those to work then I don't suppose there are very many people out there that have their software installed and it would not be worthwhile purchasing the keywords. When I asked them why the keywords are not working on my newly downloaded MSN IE8, they pointed out that MSN states that all of the features will not work when the IE8 is downloaded - we must wait till the CD arrives in the mail two weeks later. Additionally, MSN tech support has no knowledge about these keywords and kept insisting that the entire url must be typed in the top bar to go to any particular website. Please clarify what you had meant in the first portion of the sentence when you said, "it will work with either ANY browser, or at least any browser that is based on Internet Explorer and has installed their software utility". Either any browser? Please elaborate. Thank you.


  • Hello again travis558, Thanks for asking for clarification and I'm sorry a was a bit unclear in that first paragraph. What these folks have is a utility that must be downloaded and installed to work with an existing browser. In that respect, it is a lot like the add-on from Google, the Google Toolbar - http://toolbar.google.com/ . It works with browsers other than that from MSN8 as I mentioned, and worked with mine which is a bit unique and called MyIE2. There are many, I am sure, that will also work such as Netcaptor, Crazy Browser, etc., as these are all based on the Internet Explorer browser and actually act as a "wrapper" to the Microsoft browser. In other words, they use the Microsoft IE engine and add useful features to the interface creating an enhanced product. I suspect that browsers not based on IE *may* have a problem with this software, but also may not. Netscape or Mozilla come to mind, as they often do not either display properly or function properly with third party utilities. ie8keywords may and may not have taken this into consideration. In order for their service to work, the browser must have their software utility installed. As you note, it appears that it does not install from a download of the browser when you subscribed to MSN8, though you are told the CD will include this as an option that you can install when it arrives. I can tell you that IE6 does not install this, nor does the SBC / Yahoo browser. I suspect there are very few that add this utility automatically, if any at all, and very few that even will offer you the option to install this without going to the ie8keywords site to install this utility. Since it is not already installed and there is precious little on the web about them, I can only surmise very few people have even heard of this and fewer yet avail themselves of this service. I consider myself VERY Internet savvy, and I had not heard of this previously. In addition, I would never use this tool as I would much prefer to find hits on more than Pizza Hut when typing "pizza" in the address bar to search. I would expect multiple pizza parlors as well as even recipes. If I need to be more exact, I would try a better search string, such as "pizza +recipe +authentic +italian". If I really wanted Pizza Hut, typing that into Google would oblige me with proper choices. To answer your clarification request, no - I don't think there is value today in purchasing their keywords. Perhaps they can show a broad installed user base, but I would be surprised. I would wait before investing in this form of advertising until there is a proven assessment that people desire and are using their service and utility. As web_connoisseur-ga mentions in the comment below: "...There are many companies claiming to do this, but the truth is that you have to download their plug-in to make it work. Personally, I avoid these companies like the plague. How are they convincing the public that their plug-in is necessary? I bet they could build a program that would make your companies logo fly all over the screen everytime the user opens a software program, but the truth is that the user has no interest in this..." I most heartily agree with this assessment. Best regards, -=clouseau=-


  • You might also like to read an answer done by one of my researcher colleagues recently that addresses a similar question: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=180838 -=clouseau=-


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