Could Music or Mathematics be considered as languages?

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  • Can anyone help me with this? "Could Music or Mathematics be considered as languages?" If you agreed that Maths and Music are considered as languages then why?


  • In my own opinion, music has some of the attributes of a true language, mathematics even more so, but neither rises to the true status as a "language" as we commonly understand the term. Both math (as we say it in the US) and modern music have a notational system that serve as something akin to an alphabet or vocabulary that is associated with languages, especially written language. And both systems are capable of communication important human messages. Music has more of an emotional/evocative type of communication capacity, while mathematics communicates strict logical arguements, and even hold open the rare prospect of arriving at something called "proof" that the argument is true. However, neither system has the capacity to communicate simple, necessary statements that -- I think -- are a fundamental requirement of a true language. Neither music nor math can say "What's for lunch?", and unless they find a way to communicate such messages, they are not, to me, real languages. Now, having <> all this to you, my question is: What would you like from the researchers here? Are you seeking an elaboration of the above discussion? Do you want links to articles that discuss this topic? Let us know (in words, please!) how we can best help you. Thanks. pafalafa-ga


  • I need to know WHY maths is a language or WHY music is a language.


  • As I said above, I WOULDN'T consider music a language. But I can certainly see how someone might argue in the reverse. For instance, take a look at this interesting article on how Music and Language appear to overlap in the human brain: http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f01/web1/wang.html Is this the sort of information you're looking for...? pafalafa-ga


  • No I'm looking for something more into the nature of its language that uses to communicate rather and bioloigcal information and facts given.


  • Dear gcse, Music and mathematics are indeed languages. To see why this is so, consider the uses to which we commonly put a conventional language such as English. We use language to: (a) make announcements and greetings; (b) exchange and record ideas; (c) tell stories; (d) decorate and amuse. These attributes are surely necessary in any language, and they are also sufficient to qualify a medium as a language. Furthermore, they do not constitute an excessively loose definition. It is impossible to say on the basis of these criteria that football is a language, for it is not a means of recording ideas, and food does not qualify because it is not amenable to telling a story. We show below that music and mathematics possess all four attributes of language. Let us begin with music, the more accessible if not the more important language of the two. In the earliest days of humanity, music took on an annunciatory function that has persisted into civilized times. Consider the bugle call issued at the beginning of a hunting expedition to summon all participants to the chase. Although primitive man used an instrument no more sophisticated than a hand cupped to his lips, he, too, must have instinctively used a simple tune to announce that the hunt was on. Musical greetings were prevalent in the ancient civilization of Rome. The more important the subject, the more elaborate the melodies and instrumentation. To greet a simple gladiator striding into the arena to face death, a trumpet fanfare sufficed. But when a victorious general returned from quelling the natives in some border province, twenty flutists and forty singers would accompany his march into the city. Music becomes especially important as a means of greeting or announcement when visual means of communication are hindered by environmental circumstances. The singing style known as yodeling developed in the Swiss Alps as a musical way of defeating the distances and echoing acoustics of the mountainside. When a heavy fog lies on the water, a tugboat will sound its piercing steam whistle to announce itself to captains who want their ships towed into harbor. To announce oneself or to greet another is a fairly simple affair, accomplished in English with only a word or two. Yet music is capable of expressing thoughts of greater subtlety and complexity. Most of the ideas expressed in Western music are emotional instead of rational, but they are ideas nonetheless. The notion of peace, for instance, is given full expression in Debussy's La Mer. The contrary one of war is imparted by Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. Mozart's Requiem encapsulates the idea of mourning, and Handel's Messiah conveys that of joy. Music is so well suited to communicating one's state of mind that we often use it in the midst of everyday conversation in lieu of words. There is a simple melody we can whistle to show surprise, and another to express admiration. To say that we are happy, it suffices to sing la-la-la in high tones; to manifest indecision, we hum a pair of low tones. Indeed, the powers of melodic communication give a serenade its allure and permit us to understand an operatic aria or a foreign pop song without comprehending its words. Let us not forget that in addition to melody, music has rhythm. This, too, serves well for communication. In jungle societies, ideas were transmitted over great distances through drumming. A rhythmic passage served to tell a neighboring tribe of an imminent wedding, to inform them of the results of a hunt, or to bring tidings of war. When we have several ideas that we string together in a fashion that is revelatory rather than discursive, we end up with a story. Music does at least as well as mere words in fulfilling the narrative function. This is why an opera production is equipped with an orchestra, a movie with a soundtrack, a traveling storyteller with a guitar. There are universally understood musical conventions for making transitions from scene to scene, but the action of a scene can be carried by music alone. It is possible to follow the narrative of a wordless Tom and Jerry cartoon with one's eyes closed. Indeed, it can be said that the classic American cartoons are accompaniments to their music rather than the other way around. When we think of stories told by pieces of classical music without the use of any words, the most prominent examples are those by Rimsky-Korsakov and by his student, Prokofiev. Rimsky-Korsakov is most famous today for the Flight of the Bumblebee, which is but one passage from his Tale of Tsar Saltan. Prokofiev is well known for Peter and the Wolf, in which each character is represented by a particular instrument and the story is told by blending their voices. The most important use of music is ornamental. Music is a wordless poetry that decorates and beautifies and generally distracts us from the grim duties of quotidian living. This is also an essential function of spoken language, but one that suits music as well if not better. Music is to words as watercolors are to ink. It is difficult to conceive of a wedding without music. A funeral is best accompanied by a dirge. It is important here to make a distinction between the announcement or the idea of death -- these being expressed by the convened mourners' black garb and by the mere presence of a choir or a lone bagpiper -- and its ornamentation by the hymn that is sung or the tune that is played. A rhythmic tune helps along a column of soldiers on the march, while a peasant in the field keeps time with repetitive whistling or humming. The aseptic aisles of a supermarket and the confines of a dentist's waiting room are made tolerable by music piped in through loudspeakers. Birthdays, graduation ceremonies, celebrations of every kind are accompanied by music. And who can deny that the attractions of one's childhood home include not only warmth and light but mother and father's favorite melodies drifting from the phonograph in the living room through the doors and down the hallways? Let us turn our attention now to mathematics, that most severe of languages. Of the four criteria, it is most difficult to make a case for the annunciatory function of math. It appears that no one but the pathologically scholarly would attempt a greeting in the language of math. Yet mathematics is the means by which we as a civilization propose to announce ourselves to extraterrestrial life forms. When the unmanned spacecraft Voyager 1 and 2 were launched into space in 1972, they each bore an externally mounted plaque on which are inscribed symbols with which Man declares his intelligence to any aliens who may chance upon it. The eminent scientists Carl Sagan and Frank Drake designed this plaque so that, in addition to pictorial representations of our world and our species, it would make an announcement using the universal language of math as both medium and message. The mathematical portion of the Voyager greeting, shown below, proves that where words and pictures may fail, math prevails. NASA: Jet Propulsion Laboratory: Scenes From Earth: Mathematical Definitions http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/images/image003.gif The foremost use of math is the expression of ideas. Indeed, it is by definition the most precise language for stating facts in geometry, algebra, number theory, calculus, computational theory, combinatorics, topology, and further and higher branches of knowledge. Not only the strictly mathematical is expressed in the symbology and grammar of math. Engineers use it to make observations on the properties of bridges, buildings, and electric circuits. Computer programmers use mathematical language to express directives that are subsequently translated into machine code and executed at lightning speed. But math can also carry a narrative. In the early days of philosophy, the ancient Greeks used mathematical syllogisms to trace the path of an argument from premises through to conclusion. Just as a comedic or tragic story is made to hang together with turns of plot, syllogisms are the connective tissue of a sound piece of apologetics. In commerce, too, numbers tell a story. The financial report issued quarterly or annually by a corporation to its stockholders is a mathematical narrative of the company's doings. The paper tape emitted by a cash register at day's end tells the story of the day's sales, transcribing the ebb and flow of customers through a list of decimal numbers. The stories most frequently told in mathematical terms are those that concern math itself. It is one thing to make a statement, but quite another to prove it. When someone has told a credible story in mathematical language about the provenance of a mathematical statement, then and only then is it accepted as fact. Such a story is known as a proof. Finally, math is used to decorative effect in two-dimensional and three-dimensional form. The Islamic art of medieval times is characterized by its geometric effects in which polygons and harmonic curves are used rather than figurative shapes. Cubic sections and regular prisms are used to ornament Christmas trees, wedding cakes, conical wizards' hats, civic buildings, and school hallways. Formulae themselves are objects of beauty. The impenetrably intricate equations of calculus work well as wallpaper. In conclusion, music and mathematics are languages because they fulfill the four essential requirements of language. They both have the functions of announcement, expression, narration, and decoration. I have enjoyed addressing this question on your behalf. If you feel that any part of my answer requires correction or amplification, please inform me through a Clarification Request so that I have chance to fully meet your needs before you assign a rating. Regards, leapinglizard


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